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Editor’s Notes:  

there are a lot of good blogs out there on retirement. Some like the Top Retirement blog, whose link is included here, try to give retirees guidance on where to live in retirement. While these blogs do a pretty good job of covering many of the major issues in retirement, they are mostly targeting people who are looking at monetary issues, like taxes, rather than satisfaction and comfort. I’d like to see more people issues than money issues.

But if you want to talk money issues, these blogs are clueless about the mortgage meltdown and how that changes the equation. First and foremost the cost of buying a home that has been foreclosed or has a “securitized loan” in it’s chain of title greatly increases that either they or their loved ones are going to end up in a title dispute that can only be resolved in court.

So the admonition here is that before you consider that cute house with the low real estate taxes and no income taxes, figure in the cost of an attorney who can negotiate a REAL title policy rather than the junk paper they are giving out. That can amount to hours of work. And even after you get a qualified title policy you still need good title, so someone needs to file a lawsuit that asks the court to confirm the title. What if someone in the securitization chain didn’t get the memo and defends the quiet title action? Now you have an adversary proceeding on your hands.

The cost of getting good, quiet title can run high. But the people part of this is what really counts. Do you really want that hassle? Just check the title of any property you are buying and ask one question: has this property ever been the subject f claims of assignment or securitization of loans? If the answer is yes and you love the property then make sure you have a very competent property lawyer and lay the financial price to avoid trouble later.

Worst States to Retire 2012: Northeast and Midwest Come Up Losers

January 10, 2012 — There are plenty of best places to retire lists. But how about the places where it’s not such a good idea to retire? Last year our “worst 10 states” list caused quite a sensation, so we are back at it again for 2012. The purpose is to try to help baby boomers understand where, all other things being equal, they can enjoy their hard-earned retirement without taking on more problems. To make sure you don’t miss updates to this and other lists like it, sign up for our free weekly “Best Places to Retire” newsletter. And of course, don’t miss our 2012 list of the 10 Best States for Retirement.

Your retirement is unique
.  Every individual has to consider his or her own criteria for identifying the worst or best states to retire. One of the most important factors for anyone is proximity to family and friends. So, if you want to be near your grandchildren the worst state on our list could be the best state on your list. Likewise, you might not share the same considerations we used to develop this list. Tax issues might be most important for you, or you might not care about spending winters in a warm state. Our 2012 list is based on 5 considerations that we think will be important to most people, but freely admit that these factors could be totally irrelevant to many other folks.

Our Top Weighting Criteria.  
This year we expanded the criteria we used from 3 to 5 factors. The factors for 2012 are: Fiscal health, property taxes, income taxes, cost of living, and climate. Each criterion was worth up to 1 negative point. If these are not key factors for you, your list might look very different. Also new this year is a page where you can customize your “worst states” list by eliminating criteria that might not be important to you. You will find detailed explanations of these factors along with our sources following the list. The negative point range this year went from 4.05 for #1 CT to 2.45 for #10 WI.

The 10 Worst States for Retirement – 2012
  Three new states made our list this year: Vermont, Minnesota, and Maine. That means that 3 states were lucky enough to leave the list: Ohio (low property and income taxes), Nevada (in terrible financial shape but no income tax and low property taxes), California (bad financial shape and high property taxes, but almost no income tax on our prototypical couple, plus a great climate). The additions and subtractions do not necessarily mean that these states got worse or better since last year; that probably has more to do with the changes from our new rating factors. And, since the data is always trailing, the ratings might not be a perfect reflection of today’s reality.

1. Connecticut. We actually had a numerical tie for 1st place. CT won the tie-breaker because it has much higher property taxes, income taxes, and cost of living than Illinois. Most pension income is taxable, although there are some significant exemptions for social security, depending on income. CT had the 3rd highest tax burden of any state in 2009. The Nutmeg State does have considerable charm and some terrific places to live like the resurging city of New Haven, the quaint village of Stonington, or upscale Madison.

2. Illinois. Illinois (along with Nevada) faces serious economic troubles. Its pension funding, deficit spending, unemployment, and foreclosure rates are among the worst of any states. The state began to address its problems last year when it raised income tax rates. Although Illinois does not tax most pension or social security, other earnings and investment income are taxed at a fairly high rate thanks to its 5% flat tax rate.

3. Rhode Island. The Ocean State has severely underfunded pension/health liabilities and budget deficits. It has the 5th highest median property taxes paid. Our prototypical couple would face much higher income taxes here than they would in most other states. It does have some great places to live like in the bustling city of Providence, or along its extensive coastline and numerous bays and harbors in towns like Westerly.

4. Vermont. The Green Mountain State has very high median property and income taxes, with a top 10 cost of living. Winters here are better for skiing than golf.

5. Massachusetts. In the Bay State our prototypical retiree couple would face property taxes that are among the highest of any state. Even though social security income is exempt, income taxes would be high for our couple because of the flat rate applied to other earnings. Most government pensions are exempt, but private sector ones are taxed. The cost of living is high. See reviews of great places to retire like the college towns of Williamstown or Northampton.

6. New Jersey. New Jersey residents are the biggest losers when it comes to property taxes – the median property tax in the Garden State is the highest in the U.S. at $6579. It also has the highest tax burden (as reported by the Tax Foundation), a large budget deficit issue, and a very high cost of living. New Jersey has both an estate and an inheritance tax. On the plus side, it excludes most pension and social security income for couples making less than $100,000.

7. Minnesota. Another newcomer to our list, Minnesota, would impose the 4th highest income tax on our prototypical couple. That is mostly due to the absence of any pension or social security exemptions. Property taxes are just below the top 10. Minnesota has a

large budget deficit issue. Anyone care to winter in Minnesota?

8. New York. The Empire State was essentially tied with #9 Maine. We broke the tie because New York has the 4th highest median property taxes and one of the highest tax burdens. Surprisingly, the state did not earn any negative points for income taxes, since it offers generous exemptions for social security and pensions, along with a high standard deduction. Its cost of living is one of the highest, plus a very cold winter climate. On the plus side, New York’s Governor Cuomo is waging a campaign to limit property tax increases and improve the state’s fiscal condition. College towns like Ithaca can be awfully nice though.

9. Maine. Maine’s property taxes are much lower than New York’s, while Maine’s income tax on our prototypical couple would be about $1000 higher. Winters are even colder, but cost of living is lower. Maine’s governor has vowed to try to exempt retirement income from taxation, although nothing has happened on that front yet.

10. Wisconsin. Property taxes are among the highest in the country. It has a high foreclosure rate. Wisconsin’s high income taxes are mitigated somewhat for retirees because social security income is exempt and because there is a high standard deduction. Madison, of course, is a great place to live.

See our entire list of great places to retire by state.

Criteria used in developing this listFiscal health. Just as the U.S. government is spending more than it takes in, many of the 50 states have serious financial problems of their own. “The Widening Gap:” from the Pew Center on the States provides a good understanding of the problem. To determine the fiscal health component of our rankings we used 4 inputs this year: deficit, unfunded pension liabilities, unemployment rates, and foreclosures. Why do we think these are important things to rate on, you might ask? Just think about the turmoil Greece and Spain are experiencing as they are finally start to address their deficits and borrowing. Social services are being cut, taxes are being raised, and there is civil unrest. Similarly for states that run into financial trouble, the pain will be acute when the piper is paid, and you probably don’t want to be part of it. We combined these factors; if a state was in the top 10 for all four problems it received 1 negative point in the rankings (.25 each).

Property taxes. In our opinion property taxes are usually the most oppressive taxes for retirees, since they can be so high in some states and bear no relation to one’s income. The 10 states with the highest property taxes were awarded 1 point on a sliding scale, with New Jersey actually earning 1.1 points since its median taxes are so much higher than any other state.

State income taxes. We think too many baby boomer retirees focus too much attention on state income taxes as a reason to move. That’s because unless you have a lot of income, they are not a factor. In our analysis we created a hypothetical couple that has $70,000 in earnings from social security, pension, earnings, and retirement savings; equal to the top earning quartile of people 65+. Using data from the Congressional Research Service we assumed this couple received 20% of its income from social security, 23% from pension, and 47% from earnings and investments. We used those inputs to estimate income taxes for each state at Obviously, your earning profile will probably be different. If your joint earnings are significantly below $70,000, this rating component is probably not significant. Here is where you can see the ratings with this component eliminated. The 10 states with the highest taxes on this factor earned up to 1 negative point.

Cost of living. Most people retiring today are very concerned about how they are going to make it work financially. We awarded states with the highest cost of living 1 negative point.

Climate. We believe the majority of today’s retirees have a bias towards places with warmer winters. States north of the Mason-Dixon line were awarded a negative 1 point for their colder climate. (See also our 2011 article – “Worst Places to Retire for Weather and Natural Disasters“)

You can customize your “worst states” list by using the rankings on this rankings page.

Other criteria for identifying the best or worst retirement state:
While our rankings concentrated on fiscal health, taxes, cost of living, and climate, here is a more complete list of possible criteria for developing your personal rankings of retirement states and towns:

– Proximity to friends and family
- Sales taxes (Not usually a deal breaker, but annoying)
- Inheritance and Estate taxes (Some states have neither, a few have both)
- Crime
- Recreation
- Transportation
- Healthcare
- Education including colleges
- Cultural resources
- Natural disasters
- Fitting in socially, politically, religiously

Should the States Be Trying to Attract Retirees – and What Should They Do?
There are some states that actively try to attract retirees – notably Texas, Louisiana, West Virginia, Mississippi, and Tennessee. They have bought into the idea that the “mailbox” economic value of retirees (the pension and social security checks arrive in the mailbox) is as important as attracting new industries. Most of those retirees are being recruited are coming from the high tax states up north, only a few of which are actively trying to stem that tide. Property tax freezes for seniors, taxation of pensions and social security, and investments in infrastructure are some ideas that could help states in the northeast and midwest avoid losing valuable citizens whose retirements are being compromised by indifferent legislators. Share your ideas with them, and us!

More about our sources and criteria:
Pension/Health Funding and Budget Deficit data – Pew Center
Budget Deficit data – Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
Unemployment data – Bureau of Labor Statistics
Foreclosure rates –
Property Taxes –
Income taxes – here we used the income tax calculator from
Cost of Living –

For further reference:Worst States for Retirement – 2011State Retirement Guides

Tax Foundation Tax Burden by StateTax Friendly StatesThe Most Important Issue Might Not Be What You Think
Our 2011 List of the “100 Best Retirement Towns”
Best Retirement States for 2012

We were happy to have seen this article extensively quoted by Yahoo.Finance, Money.msn, MarketWatch, and AOL.DailyFinance





11 Responses

  1. Hi i am kavin, its my first time to commenting anyplace,
    when i read this piece of writing i thought i could also make comment due to this sensible paragraph.

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  3. Frank….You got that straight! The MERStution and rule of MERS.

  4. At least they can retire…..Alot of Americans can even do that right now.

  5. Sorta related – AARP is useless in helping retirees with ANY help with foreclosure and eviction.

    The magazine has yet to have one article OF ANY KIND on the topic – and the telephone number and the bozo answering the legal line is worse than Howdy Doody and he was a marionette 🙂

  6. As a free public service, I’ll offer my own insight as to the state that captured “7th best place to retire” – Florida:

    “Winters here are better for golf than downhill skiing.”

  7. Vermont. Winters here are better for skiing than golf.

    – Really?!? Neil, you have to admit what remarkable and valuable insight this is for any retirees interested in re-locating! I, for one, am truly humbled by such sagacity…

  8. This country should not even fly the American flag anymore. The flag that should be flown should be mers flag with all united states judge pictures on it.

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